0336 pc271 Does The Universe Disprove Central Planning?

0336 pc271 Does The Universe Disprove Central Planning?

Bad Quaker Podcast
With Ben and Ki

Ben and Ki talk about physics, central planning, old TV, old people, and stealing from thieves.

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2 Responses to 0336 pc271 Does The Universe Disprove Central Planning?

  1. Anon42 says:

    The closest thing current physics has to the theory of a “chaos force” would be either fractals or the 2nd law of thermodynamics. For a decent layperson discussion of the latter you might enjoy this book: http://www.amazon.com/Five-Equations-that-Changed-World/dp/0786881879

    According to wikipedia there used to be a lot of mathematical interest in the question of whether the solar system is stable, i.e. will the earth eventually just fly away into space away from the sun. The king of Sweden in the 1880s offered a prize of 2500 kroner for anybody who could solve it. Nobody could, but they awarded the prize anyway. And apparently interest waned because the sun is going to blow up anyway.

  2. Ryanarchist says:

    I guess I’m one of those people who took issue with the whole “stealing from the slaveholder” idea. I would love for you guys to go more in depth into your justifications for taking welfare as a legitimate means of making money. I’m really thinking about this subject because I do feel that taking money from the government is unethical, anti-agorist, un-anarchistic, and probably violates the ZAP.

    If the underpaid individual is ‘allowed’ to take $500 in EITC, does that mean you would also justify the income of police, military and politicians? Or, would you justify the bureaucrat who internally defrauds millions of dollars from the treasury? If the minor offense is ‘okay’ then the major version of it must also be fine.

    I do understand that all the money the state pays out is borrowed and merely printed, but that doesn’t lessen its value in the big scheme of the economy. Every dollar handed out falls onto the shoulders of everyone in the economy as debt they or their children or grandchildren will have to pay, at least until people say enough is enough and default. And besides an Iceland-style repudiation of the debt, the economy is still effected by the amount of debt created every year in the form of inflation. By accepting welfare, or a govt paycheck, one isn’t just getting magical, free money, but throwing more fuel on the fire that is consuming businesses and individual wealth. “No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible.”

    I do see this as a viable weapon against the state, as you mentioned. If everyone just started gouging the system for welfare, stealing govt subsidies, and voting themselves larger paychecks, the system would commit financial suicide. But that isn’t happening on that scale. Instead, the majority of people are paying interest on the debt by way of taxation, and the govt intends to continue to raise taxes (inevitably). So, as it stands now, that weapon isn’t effective, and I don’t believe using an ineffective weapon is justified, especially one that is cutting both ways (us more than them).

    Instead, taking government money is much like voting: Participation in the system, giving credibility to the system. By taking govt money, the govt justifies taking more from the sheeple still paying taxes. One person taking a little isn’t the issue, the hordes of feeders taking LOTS and LOTS of money is. Throwing in with that group is counter-intuitive to me. “The jumpers gonna jump anyway, let’s push him!” Talk about blood money…

    If you continue your discussion of this topic in another podcast, I would be very appreciative.

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